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Rav4eG 06:18 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Davidaap:
did i miss the announcement that matty13 opinion is gold?
Well, most of known developers used his help.
He has education. He is rectected more than most of this section

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Makarov 07:37 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Rav4eG:
Well, most of known developers used his help.
He has education. He is rectected more than most of this section
He also said pheonix's sockets were a piece of shit. Although he is just another user.. he's a user who's seen pheonix's source.

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AresCJ 08:31 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Livar:
I love the fact how loads of people are saying without Phoenix we'd have more developments on-going, well would you fuck. Some people may not wan't to pay for Phoenix, so they develop their own emulator, there's your answer, the only reason you've got people fucking about with emulators ect in this section is because they think you shouldn't have to pay for an Emulator, so think about it, if Phoenix wasn't licensed, everybody would use it because no-one will know better, but because Phoenix is licensed and people don't wan't to pay for it, they develop their own emulator for the public (in some cases).

P.S, I have a Phoenix license.
Visual Studio for C#: Free
Programs for Java, C++, Lua, and etc: Free
Creating your own emulator or developing emulator: Free
Learning how to code: Free​

Why spend money on some virtual stuff? You have all of the materials you need online in front of your face, learn how to use them and make yourself useful. The only people who purchase Phoenix Emulator are people who really want e-fame, people who can't code, and want to be spoonfed. Also, you seem really proud to have a Phoenix Emulator.

Question:
1. What if Aaron decided to cease the Phoenix Development, what are you going to do then?

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Rav4eG 09:26 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by AresCJ:
Visual Studio for C#: Free
Programs for Java, C++, Lua, and etc: Free
Creating your own emulator or developing emulator: Free
Learning how to code: Free​

Why spend money on some virtual stuff? You have all of the materials you need online in front of your face, learn how to use them and make yourself useful.
Sand: free
Clay: free
Wood: free
Rocks: free
Go make you own house for free, why buy an appartment?
Originally Posted by AresCJ:
The only people who purchase Phoenix Emulator are people who really want e-fame, people who can't code, and want to be spoonfed. Also, you seem really proud to have a Phoenix Emulator.
Tell me name of user who can code here?

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AresCJ 09:39 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Rav4eG:
Sand: free
Clay: free
Wood: free
Rocks: free
Go make you own house for free, why buy an appartment?

Tell me name of user who can code here?
First off you sound like a kid who is begging their mom for a video game instead of getting clothes. Apparently, you don't know that you can't compare virtuality to reality. That's stupid.

Lastly, there are coders here, you're NOT one of them.

The question is:

What coders do you appreciate? Apparently none, continue getting spoonfed.

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joopie 09:44 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Rav4eG:
Sand: free
Clay: free
Wood: free
Rocks: free
Go make you own house for free, why buy an appartment?

Tell me name of user who can code here?
I lol'd

And you want a name?
What about me? I might not be the best one to code a emulator (Haven't the patience for it) but I can if I would.
But yhee, I just love webdevs :)

And I'm sure there are more users who can code, take a look at the devsection....

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Rav4eG 10:00 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by joopie:
I lol'd

And you want a name?
What about me? I might not be the best one to code a emulator (Haven't the patience for it) but I can if I would.
But yhee, I just love webdevs :)
Well, I believe you can code it, but it's IN THEORY. :3
Originally Posted by joopie:
And I'm sure there are more users who can code, take a look at the devsection....
Habbo Dev Section - 3 finished emulators since 2004.



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AresCJ 10:01 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by Rav4eG:
Well, I believe you can code it, but it's IN THEORY. :3

Habbo Dev Section - 3 finished emulators since 2004.

You gotta be smoking dope. Also, what have you completed as a development?

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Rav4eG 10:15 PM 02-11-12
Originally Posted by AresCJ:
What coders do you appreciate? Apparently none, continue getting spoonfed.
Well, willieboy75 and another jabbo guy, Nillus, Myrax, Jeax, Jexuis, office.boy, Aaron, Shorty, Meth0d, lab-hotel, Shenk, AWA, Cecer, and many more.
Enough? And all of them maximus lurk nowaday.

Originally Posted by AresCJ:
You gotta be smoking dope. Also, what have you completed as a development?
I never said I'm PR0 SUPA L33T C0D3R. Does community really need cyrrilic implention in swf and other my researches? Nope.
But I help others with swf stuff + security and I'm always ready to help.

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Nillus 01:10 PM 03-11-12
Originally Posted by Makarov:
He also said pheonix's sockets were a piece of shit. Although he is just another user.. he's a user who's seen pheonix's source.
I've seen it too, everything is shit, but it works. It's like Uber with this giant bunch of hardcoded hacky buggy shit slapped on top of it. I never understood why Aaron didn't start something from scratch in Java.

Also, what's the sockets hype here on RZ. Like, really. I've seen entire pages full of people talking about their 'sockets' and bla bla. Just use Netty, Mina or something similar and you're all set. No biggie. 'Sockets' are not the penis of your emulator, boys. They're just sockets.

This Butterfly thing and HabboLatino is even worse though. It's complete horrible and disgusting to anyone who knows efficient design and 'code is poetry'.

I had to dig through it to find something relevant, and man, that's some really wild poop! The design is completely flawed and martinmine's quasi-advanced-looking code makes it even worse. All those fancy names for code that runs (and looks) like molten cheese, JIT optimizations really saved their ass there. It's far from OO and full of bad practice. Pseudo-spanish comments everywhere. More redundancy than I've seen in any other large project. Irrelevant '1337-naming' that confuses the hell out of the reader. Weird things like nulling local variables before you return from a method? Hello, what language is this? Goodforyou that it works, but that's about it. In my humble opinion it's not good at all and if you shove that stuff into your professional portfolio or something you'd get laughed at. (same applies to Holograph Emulator, haha!) I hate to be so sour and everything, but I truly do miss 'evolution'.

One of the best emulators I've seen in a long time is Snowlight. With a lot of things it's really spot on, you can see that Meth0d has come a long way! You can take a look at it, over at GitHub. It's not perfect and I heard it had major performance problems, but the design it atleast half-decent and it would be a way better base than Uber or Butterfly or HabboLatino or whatever! Same thing for Jenna Doe's project, it looked great.

Note to Martin: please do not take all of this a personal insult or something, and I do know that you've contributed quite a lot to this section and that's a very good (and brave) thing to do. It's just that I really think that a new introduction to proper software design would be really helpful to you. (and your professional colleagues on the workfield) Ofcourse everyone has their own style and everything, but yours is a complete 180 degrees turnaround, and it's not a very positive one!

Anyhoo, I really think you guys should use a project like Snowlight to +1 your skills and insights for when it comes to designing such large systems, or even programming in general. Just have a good read through it on a rainy day. Read through it and understand it. Not the Habbo stuff, but the architecture and how everything is laid out. Then look back at one of martinmine's quasi-professional projects and you can see what I mean! Let go of bad practises and design flaws that have been hammered into your wobbly heads by yourself, others, or even me, lol. There's a whole opensource world out there (nothing Habbo-related) consisting out of quality code and spending more time just reading and UNDERSTANDING it will truly brighten your visions and projects!

Good luck to all of you Habboons, code heavy and take your cornflake!

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iEdit 07:44 PM 03-11-12
Haha nice post. I totally agree with all of this.

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Livar 08:05 PM 03-11-12
Ares: I'm not proud that I own a Phoenix License, never said I was, what gave you the impression, fool. If Aaron stop's the Phoenix Development I don't really mind, don't do Habbo anymore, just stated that I have a license and have used it.

David: No-one said his opinions gold, yet again, I just stated it out, most people know him well and think he's an amazing coder, I don't judge him, never looked at his work.

Rave: Loads of people can code, just loads of people may not wan't a public development.

Ares: Yet again, who said any of Rave's projects were public for you to even know about them?

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Sojobo 11:21 PM 03-11-12
Hi, I heard Phoenix sockets were really badly coded and Phoenix is just hacked-together crap. Oh wait..

2000 online https://twitter.com/Matou19_Mathis/s...98440975446016

1200 online https://twitter.com/DrugFR/status/264787721397104640

1200 online https://twitter.com/SojoboOtaku/stat...29739275501568

30 days uptime https://twitter.com/DJGertlily/statu...51143189803009

Need I continue?

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Makarov 11:44 PM 03-11-12
That still doesn't prove you hacked your way to stability? :P

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Rav4eG 11:45 PM 03-11-12
Originally Posted by Livar:
Ares: I'm not proud that I own a Phoenix License, never said I was, what gave you the impression, fool. If Aaron stop's the Phoenix Development I don't really mind, don't do Habbo anymore, just stated that I have a license and have used it.

David: No-one said his opinions gold, yet again, I just stated it out, most people know him well and think he's an amazing coder, I don't judge him, never looked at his work.

Rave: Loads of people can code, just loads of people may not wan't a public development.

Ares: Yet again, who said any of Rave's projects were public for you to even know about them?
I'm tottaly agree with you, yes, there is people who can code, but let's do some math.
Let's say thet 25% can code. Only 50% of them read books about it. And only 50% of them have studied this in uni.
0.25 x 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.0625, it's only 6.25% who really can code, and most of them are working privately/selling stuff.
Habbo section activity will grow when people will start learning what they want to do

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